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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
		<link>http://sonomashanty.com/sonoma-shanty/building-without-a-permit/comment-page-1/#comment-1649</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather deal with what might be built near me than having authorities dictate to me where, when and how I can build something.  I think our minds are wired lately in this authoritarian society we live in to believe government is helping us with these services.  Imagine, all the services that are regulated by the government that are inflated in price because of this.  Imagine, if they wouldn&#039;t get in the way.  Yes, it may take some research on our part and discovering what the good path should be.. At least, in the end, it would be our choice not some authority above us dictating our plans.

Not only that..  Quite possibly people who are homeless now would have a home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather deal with what might be built near me than having authorities dictate to me where, when and how I can build something.  I think our minds are wired lately in this authoritarian society we live in to believe government is helping us with these services.  Imagine, all the services that are regulated by the government that are inflated in price because of this.  Imagine, if they wouldn&#8217;t get in the way.  Yes, it may take some research on our part and discovering what the good path should be.. At least, in the end, it would be our choice not some authority above us dictating our plans.</p>
<p>Not only that..  Quite possibly people who are homeless now would have a home.</p>
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		<title>By: InSonomaCounty</title>
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		<dc:creator>InSonomaCounty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent - you asked regarding the circumstances in which living in an RV is legal in Sonoma County. I happen to do so :-) so let me add what I know.

You can get a permit to live in an RV under the following circumstances:

1) While you are in the process of building a home on your property, assuming all permits have been obtained and the utilities are in.

2) Either the person occupying the RV needs to require medical care by a person living in the home on the property, or vice versa. A letter from a doctor is required.

I&#039;ve looked at the laws for most of the counties in California and all of them have have similar laws.

Without a permit, it&#039;s possible to live &quot;temporarily&quot; in RV parks, although many people actually do so permanently. 

Finally, I&#039;m legally living in my RV under a loophole so tiny you have to dig WAY deep into state law to know it is there. My fifth wheel is in a mobile home space in a mobile home park ... which makes it in most ways legally a mobile home, go figure. One difference: I do not need to get permits to remodel my RV, which I would have to do if it was really a mobile home.

Sorry, I know that&#039;s confusing, but that&#039;s the clearest I can make the explanation!

The places closest to California in which someone can (pretty much) freely live in an RV full-time are Humboldt and Elko Counties in Nevada. Even there the properties need to be 5+ acres and a permit is required.

I hope that was of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent &#8211; you asked regarding the circumstances in which living in an RV is legal in Sonoma County. I happen to do so <img src='http://sonomashanty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  so let me add what I know.</p>
<p>You can get a permit to live in an RV under the following circumstances:</p>
<p>1) While you are in the process of building a home on your property, assuming all permits have been obtained and the utilities are in.</p>
<p>2) Either the person occupying the RV needs to require medical care by a person living in the home on the property, or vice versa. A letter from a doctor is required.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at the laws for most of the counties in California and all of them have have similar laws.</p>
<p>Without a permit, it&#8217;s possible to live &#8220;temporarily&#8221; in RV parks, although many people actually do so permanently. </p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m legally living in my RV under a loophole so tiny you have to dig WAY deep into state law to know it is there. My fifth wheel is in a mobile home space in a mobile home park &#8230; which makes it in most ways legally a mobile home, go figure. One difference: I do not need to get permits to remodel my RV, which I would have to do if it was really a mobile home.</p>
<p>Sorry, I know that&#8217;s confusing, but that&#8217;s the clearest I can make the explanation!</p>
<p>The places closest to California in which someone can (pretty much) freely live in an RV full-time are Humboldt and Elko Counties in Nevada. Even there the properties need to be 5+ acres and a permit is required.</p>
<p>I hope that was of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: InSonomaCounty</title>
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		<dc:creator>InSonomaCounty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reader - the county&#039;s not just going to &quot;get extortion money&quot; from you, they can and quite possibly will force you to pay to have your illegal structures demolished. If you happen to be in Sonoma County you may even go to jail. 

There are other places in the US that are less regulated (Missouri seems to be often cited as one such) but California&#039;s pretty strict in terms of building &amp; zoning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reader &#8211; the county&#8217;s not just going to &#8220;get extortion money&#8221; from you, they can and quite possibly will force you to pay to have your illegal structures demolished. If you happen to be in Sonoma County you may even go to jail. </p>
<p>There are other places in the US that are less regulated (Missouri seems to be often cited as one such) but California&#8217;s pretty strict in terms of building &amp; zoning.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you hate permits and zoning picture what it would be like without them.&quot;

Probably a lot better.

Sorry, David, I have to respectfully disagree with you.  People have reached the breaking point of overeager enforcers telling them what they can&#039;t do that&#039;s REASONABLE to build on their own property.  No one here is talking about a meat rendering plant, gun range, etc.  They are talking about adding a building or structure that meets the regulations.  In Sonoma county, the building permit for a single family residence of 2000 square feet with a 2 car garage is $50,000.  For just the permit.

If they applied the standards to existing buildings, 90% of them would be out of compliance.

This has nothing to do with protecting the health and safety of the occupants, neighbors or the living creatures around the property, they are for CONTROL, to stop ANY development and of course to MAKE MONEY FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

One thing I&#039;m learning is that things get built a lot faster and just as well without permits (and I&#039;d guess that 80% of everything in the country is built that way).

If you think buildings are bad, just try getting water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you hate permits and zoning picture what it would be like without them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably a lot better.</p>
<p>Sorry, David, I have to respectfully disagree with you.  People have reached the breaking point of overeager enforcers telling them what they can&#8217;t do that&#8217;s REASONABLE to build on their own property.  No one here is talking about a meat rendering plant, gun range, etc.  They are talking about adding a building or structure that meets the regulations.  In Sonoma county, the building permit for a single family residence of 2000 square feet with a 2 car garage is $50,000.  For just the permit.</p>
<p>If they applied the standards to existing buildings, 90% of them would be out of compliance.</p>
<p>This has nothing to do with protecting the health and safety of the occupants, neighbors or the living creatures around the property, they are for CONTROL, to stop ANY development and of course to MAKE MONEY FOR THE GOVERNMENT.</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;m learning is that things get built a lot faster and just as well without permits (and I&#8217;d guess that 80% of everything in the country is built that way).</p>
<p>If you think buildings are bad, just try getting water.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidfromcali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidfromcali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insurance companies don&#039;t have to pay off on damage, fire, personal injury if the buildings are illegal. If you are so financially independent that you don&#039;t ever insure anything then this is fine but if you have a fire, for instance, that starts from an illegal installation they will tell you &#039;Boy, that&#039;s tough&#039; and leave you in the wind. I have known people caught in this one and they lost everything in the fire plus they were out the money.

If you hate permits and zoning picture what it would be like without them. On one side of your quiet neck of the woods someone opens an all night motorcycle tuning shop/gun range &amp; minimart, and a mosque pops up on the other and you get to hear prayer 5 times a day.
I think that a lot of the regulations involve over-building but many are safety oriented. In a choice between maybe too much regulation and my upwind neighbor starting a home based meat rendering plant I vote for regulations.
If everyone thought of the neighbors and community first when it comes to safety and environment we wouldn&#039;t need most of our laws but there are a lot of people that would build structures that would collapse and kill someone innocent like their own kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insurance companies don&#8217;t have to pay off on damage, fire, personal injury if the buildings are illegal. If you are so financially independent that you don&#8217;t ever insure anything then this is fine but if you have a fire, for instance, that starts from an illegal installation they will tell you &#8216;Boy, that&#8217;s tough&#8217; and leave you in the wind. I have known people caught in this one and they lost everything in the fire plus they were out the money.</p>
<p>If you hate permits and zoning picture what it would be like without them. On one side of your quiet neck of the woods someone opens an all night motorcycle tuning shop/gun range &amp; minimart, and a mosque pops up on the other and you get to hear prayer 5 times a day.<br />
I think that a lot of the regulations involve over-building but many are safety oriented. In a choice between maybe too much regulation and my upwind neighbor starting a home based meat rendering plant I vote for regulations.<br />
If everyone thought of the neighbors and community first when it comes to safety and environment we wouldn&#8217;t need most of our laws but there are a lot of people that would build structures that would collapse and kill someone innocent like their own kids.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2010 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most counties will require a permit to dig a pond, so that may not be feasible either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most counties will require a permit to dig a pond, so that may not be feasible either.</p>
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		<title>By: Me'chelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me'chelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 04:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also find the law not allowing you to build what you want to build on YOUR land incredibly stupid, I live with my dad in a single family dwelling as the zoning enforcement said.

I live on half of an acre you would think I could make my own small place buy noooooo they won&#039;t let me.

Now I have to buy my own property, I hate permits and zoning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find the law not allowing you to build what you want to build on YOUR land incredibly stupid, I live with my dad in a single family dwelling as the zoning enforcement said.</p>
<p>I live on half of an acre you would think I could make my own small place buy noooooo they won&#8217;t let me.</p>
<p>Now I have to buy my own property, I hate permits and zoning!</p>
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		<title>By: Hermelinda Abelardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermelinda Abelardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now possess the answers to my inquiries &#8211; at last! Thank you to get a good site. Gratefully, Beth</p>
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		<title>By: Jamiko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamiko says,

You could dig a pond on your property, design your tiny floating home, then you don&#039;t need a permit, it is a boat, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamiko says,</p>
<p>You could dig a pond on your property, design your tiny floating home, then you don&#8217;t need a permit, it is a boat, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 06:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the problem in most places, jd. You basically have to hide it where it will not be noticed, or place it somewhere remote where no one will care.

I personally plan on buying some remote land, in Northern Cali/Southern Oregon, and giving it a go. Although, I will probably test the waters with a yurt first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the problem in most places, jd. You basically have to hide it where it will not be noticed, or place it somewhere remote where no one will care.</p>
<p>I personally plan on buying some remote land, in Northern Cali/Southern Oregon, and giving it a go. Although, I will probably test the waters with a yurt first.</p>
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